RE Sept Mindset wrote on Jun 30, 2008 7:47 PM:
" So now the assumption is that unless you have been there, you don't understand?
Maybe America should have applied that to Vietnam?
The same would apply in questioning actions of the governmnet, namely the president and Congress. If you haven't lived it, you have no well rounded, global perspective?
Someone should clue in Chris King and tell him that he should be critical of Muslims until he's been one. "
To Sept Mindset wrote on Jun 30, 2008 2:45 PM:
" The reason many people say unless you've been there your opinion doesn't count is because your view is lopsided. You can't see everything that's going on without being there. The media won't report on the good that goes on because that doesn't sell. Only bombs and chaos seem to sell so that's what everyone here sees. I've been witness to the good happening right now in Iraq and I believe we should stay until they can function on their own as a stable democracy. People back home see a death toll and a price tag and judge the entire war on that, but what about the long term ramifications if we pull out in defeat? Look at the whole picture on a global scale before you judge our efforts in Iraq. "
Sept Mindset wrote on Jun 30, 2008 7:24 AM:
" The Sept 10th mindset is, it can happen to us. Not that we live every waking moment in fear.
The war in Iraq was built on political lies. For this reason, like Vietnam, there will never be any coming together on the reason, need, or value of the war.
No one questions those who have served in the GWOT, but I do not hold the belief that just because you did, only your view counts. In fact, it offends me.
I don't mind paying to blow up an enemy, but I don't like to have to pay for what I blew up.
If terrorists are the objective, why aren't we invading half a dozen other countries that harbor them? "
Sick of the whole mess wrote on Jun 28, 2008 11:53 PM:
" Repubs complain the dems raise taxes. Better to raise taxes, sell war bonds, or have a draft than do like the repubs do - - borrow money and raise the debt ceiling, then cry that the dems raised taxes. Why else than to pay the debts the repubs ran up? with this administration, as long as the rich get richer, the "terrorist" threat will be pushed onto us and most Americans will swallow it. Talk about Muslimsm killing? What did the Crusaders do to the "infiidels." Chopped off their heads if they did not profess to believe in the christ child. "
Old Vet wrote on Jun 28, 2008 9:12 AM:
" Besides having no good reason to invade Iraq -- no connection with 9-11, no WMD -- the invasion has thusfar cost over 4000 US combat deaths and many more seriously wounded and almost a trillion dollars, enough to have rebuilt all our schools, bridges and roads and provided universal health care.
George Carlin was right. The one thing we do well and often and for the slightest of reasons, imagined or manufactured, is war. Sad but true.
Think of the vets before you invade somebody. And have a good reason. We had Osama bin Laden on the ropes, as we should have, but we then invaded Iraq because there were easier targets there, Rummy said. Now we are stuck there and we say this protects us from terrorism. Meanwhile the Taliban in Afghanistan are growing in strength. They were almost wiped out, but then, of course, we left them alone and went to Iraq. "
Stupid editorial wrote on Jun 25, 2008 4:01 PM:
" The right wing conservatives are the robotic close my eye Bush is a god people. So i guess the bombers were not from Saudi thats a myth. I guess Bush statement of I would have attached anyway even if Iraq did not have WMD's was false. All the jobs that the US is developing are for the babyboomers getting old. We are giving up good paying jobs and getting low paying no benefits jobs. Exactly what the Rep and you want since that gives Businesses more money to invest. Right. Keep dreaming. The only sector that has good wage gains are for ceo's and board of directors. And who do they vote for Rep. and people like you. No lets not raise taxes just put all the war spending on the big credit card that china is holding for us. Lets just pretend that we can print our way out of the price of this war. And its interesting you state china's earthquake because if they have enough disasters and need money for infrastructure they will start cashing in those bonds and wanting the money we owe them. Then our little downturn as you Rep. call it will seem like a cake walk compared to what will happen to our country. OH but who cares the Dems will be to blame. "
Re. Chris King and all you other Jokers wrote on Jun 25, 2008 11:10 AM:
" Imagine if a foreign country consistently meddled in our domestic affairs and stole our only form of income and invaded our neighbors. What would the response of the US be? "
Chris King wrote on Jun 24, 2008 3:32 PM:
" Maybe it's because us "right wing nuts" actually have thought about and considered our positions at length, rather than spilling the same left-wing talking points like mindless drones!
Having nuanced and well-enforced reasoning and positioning skills is not a negative thing.
Silly liberals, being robotic is for stupid people... "
re Dave Rosenberg wrote on Jun 24, 2008 1:02 PM:
" Thank you Dave for some intelligent and concise words. I often am able to judge the clarity of postings here by their length. The right wing nuts tend to ramble on and on, signifying mostly nothing except their own ignorance and prejudice. Your words are a breath of fresh air. Right on. Bring the troops home. "
REre stupid editorial wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:27 AM:
" You are the optimal KOOL-AID drinker from the FAR LEFT
You really believe in all these conspiracies?
"We wanted a foothold in the Mideast since Saudi has shut down our bases there. The Bush admin wanted us to focus on terrorists the whole time of their kingdom since everything else is a disaster. Losing jobs, businesses, high prices on everything, our bridges and dams failing , and all they do is shrug their shoulders and say we have to get the terrorists. A universal response and a built in excuse for 8 years of failure. "
Let's address the LOSS OF JOBS were at 5.5% which is still HISTORICALLY LOW and even in this slow down is pretty much the same as it was in the 90's under BUBBA and by the way jobs went overseas under BUBBAs admin at a faster pace. But at least we now have new jobs coming back into this country via foreign car companies and other businesses
High prices on everything? are you kidding me
Prices have been going up since the mid 90's but has accelerated in the past 2 years and why has it gone up?
The number one REASON IS OIL PRICES, food prices going up. THE DISASTER ETHANOL PROGRAM....BUBBA VETOED 2 bills in the 90's to open up OSC drilling and ANWR
"OUR BRIDGES AND DAMS FAILING"?
Whos fault is that. The money goes to the states and the states use the money for other items instead of highway infrastructure. and remember hey if you live in a flood zone you might want to expect a FLOOD.
What DAMS are Failing anyway. If your talking about LEVEES then you know nothing about the LEVEES at all and should educate yourself before posting comments
HEY can't we blame Bush for that Earthquake in China a while back to? Might as well blame him for the TSUNAMI a few years back.
Do you see how Blaming someone for everything and not having any facts about the situation just sounds ignorant? You should quit reading the WHACKO BLOG sites and start living in the REAL WORLD. Go out get a job and start living instead of reading the PROPAGANDA and being scared to live "
RERe Chris King wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:06 AM:
" Your kidding right?
"Missed the point of the editorial"
Whenever the Leftist Media and the democrats talk about sacrificing with this war they are only talking about raising taxes. THE Democrats WANT TO RAISE TAXES, their answer to everything
To the EDITOR:
I have served in Iraq and the thought that a leftist newspaper like this one can actually even bring this up is totally DISINGENUOUS. HOW THE HELL CAN YOU EVEN TALK ON THIS ISSUE, YOU haven't SACRIFICED ANYTHING nor would you, or do you have the ability to get by your own pacifist views to look at a situation from a side that you have no understanding of whatsoever
"The unwillingness to ask anything of Americans isnt without consequences."
If you got a big tax increase then all would be better wouldn't it?
We Americans are sacrificing but when the editorials of the leftist newspapers are promoting DEFEAT and SURRENDER how can you ask anyone take you seriously when asking us to sacrifice anything more?
Some of us have actually served in IRAQ and for a newspaper to play this game to carry the water for OBAMA is a JOKE.
The Problem with Pacifist is they surrender before any sign of any conflict and your enemy already knows it. So surrender is they're only option. "
To Dave Rosenberg wrote on Jun 24, 2008 9:47 AM:
" I guess you could call me Islamophobic since Islam calls for its followers to kill infidels(those who don't practice islam). "
Chris King wrote on Jun 24, 2008 8:22 AM:
" Re: What's ironic...
You are partially right. I am a religious fanatic. My faith in Jesus Christ demands it. However, my devotion to God is much different than an Islamic Terrorists devotion to his "god."
You've got to recognize that while both Christianity and Islam demand devotion to the faith, only Islam has any teachings that can even be misconstrued as a mandate to murder those that don't believe the same.
You see Christianity demands that we TELL others about Jesus, and then we wait for the Holy Spirit to pull that person's heart toward Jesus. Christians understand that true conversion will not come at the tip of a sword or bullet of a gun.
So, yes, I am a radical fanatic for Christ. Let's just remember that my devotion to Christ will never lead me to murder in His name, and Christianity does not teach that we need to create conditions upon the earth for His return. Whereas, Islamic Terrorists use their doctrines to justify and condone murder of those that don't believe their way and attempt to enslave individuals under the guise of Sharia law.
Christianity is all about individual freedom. In fact, the American ideals of individual accountability and freedom ARE Christian ideals! Christians understand that true faith cannot be forced upon anyone. "
re stupid editorial wrote on Jun 23, 2008 10:44 PM:
" SO since you must have been there you know exactly what the mid east is all about. Fine we go after the people that are trying to kill us. These islamic extremists. 18 of the 20 involved were from Saudi Arabia. What did the govt. do. Let all the saudi royalty family fly out on planes secretly. The president holds hands and dances with the ruler of a country that gave birth to these extremists. We need the oil and they need our revenue so we turn a blind eye to the real country that was involved. Blame Iraq and attack the ruler who WE ARMED and were allies with in the 80's. We have the air force sending nuclear parts abroad without knowing and flying over the country with live nukes in planes. We have such a bad handle on the borders of this country that to say we have not had an attack because of Bush is laughable. The war and this hornets nest rattling has done exactly what Bush and are Vip wanted and thats the oil fields of Iraq. We wanted a foothold in the Mideast since Saudi has shut down our bases there. The Bush admin wanted us to focus on terrorists the whole time of their kingdom since everything else is a disaster. Losing jobs, businesses, high prices on everything, our bridges and dams failing , and all they do is shrug their shoulders and say we have to get the terrorists. A universal response and a built in excuse for 8 years of failure. "
Chris King wrote on Jun 23, 2008 4:37 PM:
" I'm doing my part to fight terrorism by sounding the alarms against idiots that try to tell us that Islamic Terrorism isn't a threat. I'm doing my part by trying to help people continue to recognize that Islamic Terrorism is the enemy, not America! Get it straight folks! Terrorists are bad; America is good!
I find it highly amusing that liberals are now crying that our government is not meddling in our daily lives enough for a cause that they deny exists! "
Re Chris King wrote on Jun 23, 2008 3:27 PM:
" There is no way of knowing whether our "stirring the hornets nest" has prevented further attacks here. It took, what, 22 guys with box cutters to inflict the damage and death of 9-11. Our aggression is preventing 22 more guys from doing something similar? Airplane security, not invading Iraq, reduced the chances of another 9-11. You miss the point of the editorial. What are you doing to fight terrorism? What are most of us doing? What have we been asked to do? Little or nothing. We mainly talk, like this. "
ANOTHER STUPID EDITORIAL wrote on Jun 23, 2008 2:39 PM:
" This editorial is to try to support OBAMA again, and the only way to spin this is to say
"islamic" terrorism is overrated
Just as Sept 10 it was over RATED
One thing we have to understand is that OBAMA believes we should send cops after Bin Laden and all other TERRORIST and process them in our courts like a common thief.
Let's be clear we are in a WAR with EXTREMIST TERRORIST and if you have never been to the mid east you haven't a clue as to what they are about. These people abuse there neighbors and kill them all the time they beat there women and give them absolutely no rights at all, and yet we have women in this country that complain all the time about little items they want. The Women of the Mid-east are scared for there lives on a daily basis.
The problem with saying
"islamic" terrorism is overrated
is the problem that those that say that statement haven't a clue as to what were up against, Maybe the editorialist should travel the mid-east for a year then come back and print his dribble
"When it comes to sacrifice" SO THIS IS ABOUT WHAT? PAYING TAXES?.....Actually if your so BLIND as to not see the sacrifice being paid already then you really only have tunnel vision and you should pull your head out of the sand
RE:Dave Rosenberg
Nice to see you hit all the LEFTIST TALKING POINTS. "
Whats ironic wrote on Jun 23, 2008 2:15 PM:
" is that you're just as much of a religious fanatic as the "Islamic Extremists" but for whatever reason you're too oblivious to reality to see it that way. "
Chris King wrote on Jun 23, 2008 11:45 AM:
" It's really easy to forget how dangerous Islamic Terrorism is 7 years after 9/11 and while sitting comfortably under the umbrella of protection that the Bush administration has placed over our nation!
Yes, the world may be more dangerous since 9/11. However, it is very easy to recognize that it is because the US has gone on the offensive and is "stirring the hornets nest." However, we have not had an attack on US soil because the terrorists are too busy running and hiding and fighting us on multiple fronts to attack us at home!
It is a fact that forgetting about or minimizing the dangers of 9/11 and Islamic Terrorism will lead to another catastrophic event. Another fact is that terrorism is a greater threat than other forms of war because it preys upon our citizens and uses the lack of preparation to its advantage.
Again leftists, progressives and liberals are to short sighted to recognize the dangers of this world. It's not the "politics of fear" it's reality. Wakeup folks! It's a dangerous world and a complacent attitude will lead to the downfall of our nation. Maybe that is what the ultra-left really wants anyways. Since they seem to believe that it is best to blame America for everything. Their kind of like the spoiled brats of affluent parents that failed to discipline their children! "
Dave Rosenberg wrote on Jun 22, 2008 9:17 PM:
" The right answer is that the threat of what is called "islamic" terrorism is overrated. Especially those white rednecks living in wisconsin, it is not a threat, but an excuse to be islamophobic. The use of the term "islamic terrorism" itself reveals the islamophobia your newspaper and many others in this nation harbors.
Quite frankly, nobody should be asked to sacrifice for a war they don't believe in. Most of the americans, the polls show don't support the war in Iraq. So, don't ask us to support or sacrifice the stupidity brought upon us by a "evangelical" warmonger president. "
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