To Brian wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:17 PM:
" You still ignore the point that abortion is a human rights violation, which is why people are opposed to it. A woman and her doctor making a private decision to kill her baby doesn't address that, so your point isn't valid. That is like saying that rape and stealing should be a private decision left up to the individual choosing to do it. "
Ann wrote on Jul 1, 2008 6:11 PM:
" To Brian,
You said "Sure a woman can say no, unless of course she is raped or drugged or under the influence of alcohol or raging teen hormones"
Sure, if a woman is raped or drugged she doesn't have a choice in the matter. But a woman CHOOSES to drink. And raging teen hormones don't make you go out and have sex, its still a CHOICE. "
From Brian wrote on Jun 30, 2008 4:11 PM:
" Yes, stealing and rape will continue. Who thinks they should be made legal? Read my post again. These decisions should be made in private between a woman and her doctor. A woman should not be violated twice. First by the rapist, then by anti-abortion zealots who force her to bring to full term a baby that was forced on her through an act of violence. "
To Brian wrote on Jun 30, 2008 12:14 PM:
" Stealing and rape will continue to occur, whether legal or illegal. So, should those things be made legal also? Your point makes no sense. The point those who oppose your position are making is that they allege abortion is a human rights violation. Besides, Obama has taken it a step farther and supports, not only the killing of the unborn, but also the killing of babies already born. "
From Brian to a woman with a body wrote on Jun 29, 2008 5:29 PM:
" I wish you had a brain to go with that body. Sure a woman can say no, unless of course she is raped or drugged or under the influence of alcohol or raging teen hormones. There are times when birth control fails (i.e. torn condoms). There are also the 40 and 50 year old women with "surprise" pregnancies. They have no desire to begin child rearing again when they are ready to be a grandma. If someone wants to do that, fine. No one compells anybody to have an abortion. It is a decison best made between a woman and her doctor.
You say that people should just not have sex. Good luck with that one. People have been "doing it" for generations, it will continue, and I think that is great. Sex is one of the great joys of life and I don't think there is nothing wrong with it. Nothing to be ashamed of. Sex will continue; it is a vital human drive like thirst or hunger. Because of that abortion will also continue, either legally or illegally. Better to have them done in a clinic with a doctor than in a back alley with a hanger and a ill-trained hack. "
Sam wrote on Jun 29, 2008 11:46 AM:
" Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But if you have so much time discrediting Obama and Planned Parent Hood, then why don't you go out and do something for the women who don't have abortions and who are struggling to give their children a decent life in this messed up society. "
a woman with a body wrote on Jun 28, 2008 2:02 PM:
" "It is a woman's body and she has the right to determine what to do with an unexpected pregnancy."
Brian,
You're absolutely right- a woman should have the right to chose- like whether or not to have sex, which leads to pregnancy. The choice is gone once a woman consents to the very thing that causes pregnancy. Your argument makes no sense- that's like saying it's my right to *not* get hit by a car but I go play in traffic on the freeway, and expect everyone to divert their speeding vehicles away from me because I refuse to be responsible for my choice of foolishly doing the very thing that causes people to get hit by cars. In case you didn't understand: rationally thinking, if sex is the thing that *causes* pregnancy- nay- it is the *only way* the joining of egg and sperm- for life to begin, then the "choice" is obvious: don't want pregnancy? Don't have sex. It's not rocket science. It's the abortion industry and planned parenthood along with social welfare which have made it so people can choose to do something without regard to the consequences of their choices. "
Anne wrote on Jun 28, 2008 6:40 AM:
" I'm surprised Obama has children in the first place, anyway, if he supports abortion this strongly and if he thinks pregnancy is a punishment. :o? "
Amy wrote on Jun 27, 2008 7:51 PM:
" Very good article. Abortion is barbaric and future generations will look back and wonder how a society could allow the collective murder of millions of pre born babies born every year. So many women are sufferring from this grave choice and to tell women kill your baby it will solve everything is just so sad. Every women I know who had an abortion and it is alot have all been tramitized for life. I wish they all could have there babies back but they can't. All were scared. I wish abortion was outlawed and then we as a society would really have to help all these women. Killing your child should not ever be an option. It is just so sad. "
To Esther wrote on Jun 27, 2008 3:54 PM:
" Ahh, but a human is located in the womb. Therein is the point....Suppose the woman was located in my house? The baby is in the womans womb, and the woman is in my house. Would I be allowed to kill a)the baby b)the woman or c)both? "
Esther to Rachel wrote on Jun 27, 2008 10:50 AM:
" Because it is our womb, Rachel. "
To Rachel wrote on Jun 27, 2008 9:56 AM:
" The problem I see with your post is that you are saying, in essence, if one parent wants to kill their baby, it would be wrong to kill it. But if both agree to do so, it would be acceptable. "
Rachel wrote on Jun 27, 2008 8:47 AM:
" I have always wondered why only women are allowed to have a say in the termination of a pregnancy. Women don't get pregnant by themselves. It seems like men should get a voice too. "
Chris King wrote on Jun 26, 2008 10:32 AM:
" For anyone questioning the validity of my arguments about the roots and fruits of the Planned Parenthood and Obama's lockstep commitments to their cause, check out this link and story; just copy and paste it into your web browser's address bar. Please, you will see and it illustrates my point very well...
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68010 "
To Brian wrote on Jun 25, 2008 4:12 PM:
" The Born Alive Infant Protection Act only protects babies already born, not babies still attached to their mother. How would killing these separate human beings possibly save the life of the mother? "
Chris King wrote on Jun 25, 2008 1:57 PM:
" I have not lied in any way shape or form! I am simply presenting facts that demonstrate the roots and fruits of the abortion industry.
You, on the other hand are simply doing "your job" by trying to refute or minimize the damage to your "cause." Unfortunately for you, the truth is not on your side on this issue! "
Brian wrote on Jun 25, 2008 12:49 PM:
" The "lie" is in how the right distorts the record. Like Chris King does when quoting a woman who has been dead for 50 years and making it seem like these are the views of Planned Parenthood (and by extension Barack Obama) today.
The "lie" is in the name Born Alive protection Act. A better name might be the "Risk Mama's Life for a Hydrcephalic Birth."
Late term abortions are extremely rare. The fetus is delivered whole because it is safer than extracting jagged slivers of bone, etc. When they do occur it is often due to a health concern (e.g. hyrdrocephalics)that causes a doctor to select the "partial birth" procedure.
Conservatives create the impression that women make these decisions ruthlessly. I believe this is not the case. Life is precious. But when things go wrong in the development of the fetus, then a difficult choice needs to be made. And it is the mother and her doctor who should make those decisions, not the government or right wing politicians. "
To Brian and Chris King wrote on Jun 24, 2008 3:36 PM:
" Brian, see 9:40am post. Are you saying Barack Hussein Obama did NOT speak against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act? Or are you saying that he was NOT the only Senator to do so? Where exactly is the lie? Chris King, please keep writing. There is a small vocal minority here who don't like it when people speak the truth. Don't let them dissuade you. "
Chris King wrote on Jun 24, 2008 2:53 PM:
" Very interesting...
Why do my views strike a nerve with some of you?
If you really felt that my views were irrelevant than you could just ignore them. Right?
The fact is that my views strike a nerve because deep down, you know I'm right. Deep down you know that being half black is not a valid qualifier for the Presidency.
Ferraro was right. If Obama was not black, he would not be the Democratic nominee. Maybe it's because so many have bought into the false ideals of white guilt. Guess what folks, contrary to what the hard-left tells us, you can vote against Obama, and there are numerous reasons that don't include racism!
To clarify...If you took any white candidate, who is a first-term senator, who has no record of willingness to cross the aisle for the greater good, who openly wrote about a need to identify with his white father, who openly spoke about the virtues of drug use, who attended a church that preached hate for 20 years, who uses terms like "the typical black person," etc... they would not have a chance at a major political party's nomination for the Presidency!
However, because he is black (50 percent anyway) he gets a pass. Because many are so eager to have our "first black President."
Guess what folks, voting for Obama because he is black is just as bad as not voting for him because he is black! In other words, race should be a non-issue. Conservatives and Republicans have understood that concept for a long time. It's liberals and Democrats that continue to beat a dead horse. "
Brian wrote on Jun 24, 2008 1:11 PM:
" The conservatives have no problem spreading lies about Obama. Isn't that "bearing false witness?" At the same time, they go to the end of the earth to "save" a fetus. Then when the kid is born, they cut health care programs for the poor. And if he makes it to the age of 18 or 19, they stand and salute him as the child is sent off to kill and die in Iraq for a war based on lies and for the benefit of the oil companies. Such a religion. Sort of like an American taliban. "
Chris King Must GO wrote on Jun 24, 2008 12:28 PM:
" I cannot believe that we have to read your comments in every issue of this paper and that they allow you to even write or respond as much as you do. How are you an expert on all subjects?? Your constant religious overtones absolutely make me sick!!!
Just shut up for a few months and give us all a break!!!
We don't want to hear any more of your drivel!!!! "
Hey Chris wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:49 AM:
" Keep those cards and letters coming. Some of us agree with you....I do anyway. "
Here is something else interesting wrote on Jun 24, 2008 9:40 AM:
" Barack Hussein Obama was the only Senator to speak against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. Democrats have always supported a womans right to kill her baby(infanticide against the unborn). What is noteworthy about Obamas position is he takes it a step further: he supports infanticide against babies already born. This should be a concern for everyone: Republicans, Democrats, and Independents alike. "
To Chris wrote on Jun 23, 2008 7:42 PM:
" Get a clue...we are all as sick of your comments as we are the republican party that has been in office and run this country INTO THE GROUND the last 8 years. "
Chris King - AGAIN GAG wrote on Jun 23, 2008 4:11 PM:
" Ignore him - maybe he'll just fade away...... "
Chris King wrote on Jun 23, 2008 2:26 PM:
" How can anybody insinuate that the roots of any movement are irrelevant? How can one actually argue that something that started off as social manipulation to control minority populations is a good thing?
Can't you see the hole that people dig for themselves when the approach the world with moral relativity?
Here is what Brian and Fred are actually saying, "abortion started out as a way to eliminate African Americans and doctors only OCCASIONALLY bludgeon a newborn's skull. However, it's all o.k. now because it is the woman's right to allow this to happen to her and her child. Besides what does Barack Obama's support by planned parenthood have to do with abortion?"
Seriously, if you refuse to see the links between Margaret Sanger's agenda, Planned Parenthoods extermination of predominantly African American babies, and Barack Obama's unfailing support for abortion and procedures that even most Democrats consider barbaric, you are simply diluting yourself! "
REFred wrote on Jun 23, 2008 2:08 PM:
" If we taught personal responsibility and the fact that there is consequences for actions, instead of teaching that it's your life, it's your body. do what you wish
Personally I have yet to figure out how a WOMAN has the only right to her body when no one else in our society has that same right to there body. especially the unborn.
ROE V WADE was a finding in court that to this day is unfounded in law, on it's merits it was a very poor decision with no reasonable causation for the action of the court. In other words a woman has complete a total control over her body, but only regarding reproduction. WOW that is rank with problems and only women have this right. This was a travesty in Justice and has lead our society down a very bad path on NO PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY "
Fred wrote on Jun 23, 2008 12:37 PM:
" Good point Brian. Margarat Sanger was born in 1879 and passed on in 1966, when Barack Obama was 5 years old. Chris's incendiary quote may be accurate, but how does something that was said in the 1920s reflect on the 2008 campaign? It simply muddies the water. Planned Parenthood today no more adovates eugenics than Chris King does. Besides, I don't care about Planned Parenthood, no one forces anybody to go there. If conservatives backed away from their ineffective "abstinence only" propaganda, then perhaps there would be less of a need for abortion services. "
Chris King wrote on Jun 23, 2008 12:02 PM:
" Again, Brian misses the forest for the trees!
There are several points I was making...
1. Abortion began as a progressive response to the "problem" of the expanding "negro" population.
2. Obama is for "partial birth abortion" which even many democrats agree is barbaric!
3. Obama marches in lockstep with the pro-abortion agenda. By the way, he considers pregnancy a punishment.
4. Those that support abortion have been duped to believe that abortion is a women's rights issue rather than social manipulation to limit population growth of minorities and the poor. "
Brian wrote on Jun 23, 2008 10:51 AM:
" Another case of guilt by association from the always predictable Chris King. If you think abortion is terrible, Chris, then don't have one. It is a woman's body and she has the right to determine what to do with an unexpected pregnancy. To add bloody details of procedures that are extremely rare and used to save the life of the mother clarifies nothing. All it shows is Chris King's desperation to say anything to discredit Obama. "
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